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« on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 11:38 am »

I plan on laying some cheap ready mix concrete down just for the kids to play hopscotch and four square on and to ride their bikes....

I've dug out the area I want to use (still have to level it though)
What more preparation do I have to do?  Can I just mix the stuff, pour in the allocated area and leave it to set? Or is there more to it?

Oh and what's the difference between Drymix Quick Set Concrete and Drymix Mortar? Which would be best to get?
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« Reply #1 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 11:54 am »

I plan on laying some cheap ready mix concrete down just for the kids to play hopscotch and four square on and to ride their bikes....

I've dug out the area I want to use (still have to level it though)
What more preparation do I have to do?  Can I just mix the stuff, pour in the allocated area and leave it to set? Or is there more to it?

Oh and what's the difference between Drymix Quick Set Concrete and Drymix Mortar? Which would be best to get?


Where's Mr fs Pants ?

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In here !

Quick !
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« Reply #2 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 11:56 am »

 
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« Reply #3 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 12:26 pm »

you need to get some timber (about 150mmx25mm) to 'box' in the area. this will contain the wet cocrete & give you a 'level' to 'scree'(sp) to.

you also need to dig it about 75mm-100mm deep, maybe deeper(if ya not gunna drive on it) and use reinforcing steel (or the concrete will crack)..you also need the wee 'stands' that hold the steel off the ground so the wet concrete goes through the steel mesh.

it also pays to first put down some poly sheeting first.

for that size area (i'm guessing about 4mx5m?) it would be more economical to buy bags of cement and some sand to mix onsite. the dryfast stuff can set too quick making it tricky to 'scree'(sp)(level off)...or get wet stuff delivered.

also i have found that ready mix stuff is good for small posts etc..but it seems to be brittle.

and for that amount getting 'ready mix' would work out more expensive.

i think it would be better to get some concreters or a builder to do the job for you.

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« Reply #4 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 12:28 pm »



Oh and what's the difference between Drymix Quick Set Concrete and Drymix Mortar? Which would be best to get?

the quick set is just that...drys fast.
mortar is for block/brick laying.
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« Reply #5 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 12:31 pm »

 eek  Holy crap!

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i think it would be better to get some concreters or a builder to do the job for you.

I think I'll agree with you on that one  eek

Do you have any idea on what kind of cost I'd be looking at for that? If it too expensive, it won't happen

Or maybe I should just tile or brick the area instead and make it a BBQ area  eek
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« Reply #6 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 12:32 pm »



Oh and what's the difference between Drymix Quick Set Concrete and Drymix Mortar? Which would be best to get?

the quick set is just that...drys fast.
mortar is for block/brick laying.
Thankyou dab
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« Reply #7 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 12:37 pm »

 I agree wlth Dab but do you have people that can help with the laying  Archie maybe ? Mortsr is for bricks etc. I would find out the costof getting the premixed in the concrete truck if you can get help with the laying of it . For what you want & bearing in mind the costs.  you could leave out the reinfroucing part . Also dedivde the area up as this will help against cracking.2x 2 squares
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« Reply #8 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 12:42 pm »

   Poor Archie

No tpb, it would be just me. So maybe (depending on cost) it would be better to hire some peeps who know what they're doing instead.

So you reckon I'd get away without the reinforcing steel then if I break it up into parts?

Nothing heavy will be on it. Only the kids playing on their bikes.
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« Reply #9 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 12:44 pm »

i think you mean getting the concrete cut when it's dry tpb?

dividing it would be tricky.

you may get away without reinforcing but i recon it's best.

a paved/tiled/brick area would be okay.
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« Reply #10 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 12:48 pm »

Ok. The area is about (in very approx measurements) 6 by 2 metres.

I could break it up into part BBQ and part play. So play area would be maybe 4 by 2. BBQ which could be bricked? would be 2 by 2?

If it costs too much, it won't happen. At the moment, there are no plans set in concrete Wink    I just want to know what I'm looking at in order to do it - if it eventuates.
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« Reply #11 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 12:50 pm »

Re inforcing would be best , I was thinking of the old way of puting in timber deviders in .Bricks etc may be a much better way to go & better for you to cope with scoobs
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« Reply #12 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 01:11 pm »

Are bricks easier to set down than tiles?
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« Reply #13 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 01:14 pm »

i havn't done any brick or tile laying...but like most things it's the preperation that makes the job.

i seen peeps do it...seems pretty straight forward.
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« Reply #14 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 01:52 pm »

'scree'  Brought to you by dab   







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« Reply #15 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 01:57 pm »

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« Reply #16 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 02:02 pm »

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'tis what Mr Pants is doing here scoobs

You can do it with a very straight plank of wood
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« Reply #17 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 02:06 pm »

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oh!...knew it was sommit like that.

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« Reply #18 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 02:10 pm »

Ok. The area is about (in very approx measurements) 6 by 2 metres.

I could break it up into part BBQ and part play. So play area would be maybe 4 by 2. BBQ which could be bricked? would be 2 by 2?

If it costs too much, it won't happen. At the moment, there are no plans set in concrete Wink    I just want to know what I'm looking at in order to do it - if it eventuates.

We have a minimum charge of a ....want me to pop down? 
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« Reply #19 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 02:10 pm »

eek

oh!...knew it was sommit like that.

i'm going surfing in the Catlins...cya's



   have a good one dab
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« Reply #20 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 02:29 pm »

Ok. The area is about (in very approx measurements) 6 by 2 metres.

I could break it up into part BBQ and part play. So play area would be maybe 4 by 2. BBQ which could be bricked? would be 2 by 2?

If it costs too much, it won't happen. At the moment, there are no plans set in concrete Wink    I just want to know what I'm looking at in order to do it - if it eventuates.

We have a minimum charge of a ....want me to pop down? 
  I'm not even sure if this is going to happen. I think it's too big for me both financially (min. $1000?  eek ) and physically.

Who woulda thought just laying down a concrete pad would be so complicated  eek

I think I'll have to do a price comparison on concrete, bricks and tiles and go from there.

I would prefer it to be something that I can do a bit at a time when I have the money and time to do it. But if it costs less to get someone else to do it all in one go, then I'll mmmmm

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« Reply #21 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 04:04 pm »

what about checking out the cost of those large conceret slabs - flagstones?

I would get a book or 10 from the library - they can have plenty of alterate ideas too.

perhaps you could put a notice in the supermarket about swapping help concreting with babysitting or something else you could do...

or, I'm sure sure if this is possible, but maybe if someone is doing a concreting job (with the truck) and there is some left over, you could get it cheap from them? or approach the concrete-mixing company themselves?

sorry, just trying to think of cheap alternatives for ya - I understand the frustrations 
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« Reply #22 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 04:10 pm »

Try ringing some of your local concrete contractors

We often have concrete left in the truck after the last load...someone may have just enough left over to send around to yours for next to nothing.
I know if someone in your situation rang us Mr Pants would get some dropped off. We have to pay for the full load regardless of whether we use it all

Might be worth a few phone calls to give your details out 'just in case' 
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« Reply #23 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 04:12 pm »

ohhhhhhhhh flagstones are another option. thanks WR

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« Reply #24 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 04:22 pm »

I love playing with concrete - you're in the naki, right?
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« Reply #25 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 04:29 pm »

   sure am egghead

but I not even sure I want to go in that direction now... I'll be going for the cheapest option there is

I've dug it all out in preparation for the area, it's taken me forever to do it. Gotta level it out cause the kids and dog have been 'helping' me    In some places it's way too deep and in other's it too high. So gotta buy me a decent measuring tape to make it the way it should be. Also taking into account that there has to be a wee slope for the excess water to get out of the property (which I gotta get done before winter sets in, otherwise it's gonna be a huge muddy mess - to my kids and the dogs delight).

Getting a wee bit disheartened with it all actually Sad And I probably won't be looking at doing anything other than leveling it out until Xmas this year at least. Soooooooo lots of time to sort it.



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« Reply #26 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 05:05 pm »

to concrete that area, you'd be looking at about 1 to 1.5 cubic meter of readymix, depending on how level you wanted it. you'd need 100 x 25 boxing grade timber[allow 20 meters] and boxing pegs [20]

to pave it, you'd need 20meters of GROUND TREATED timber, plus pegs, plus about a cubic meter of coarse sand, and a couple of bags of paving sand to fill the gaps. you would also need to hire a plate compactor, and if you want to lock the pavers together, a block saw.

if you price up the materials and it looks do-able, give me a pm and we can work out labour.
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« Reply #27 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 06:27 pm »

 eek  geez all that huh?

What a great offer egghead! Thankyou! 

You guys are so cool. Even tpb offered to come up from Wanganui to help out 

But I seriously can't give you a time for when or even if this will happen. I'm sorry bout that.
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« Reply #28 on: Mon 24 March, 2008 - 08:27 pm »

any time
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« Reply #29 on: Tue 25 March, 2008 - 01:26 pm »

can't beat that scoobs...k for the helpful eggy 
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