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« on: Thu 18 September, 2008 - 08:39 am »

NATIVE BIRD MASSACRE AFTER POISON DROP
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MORE than 12,000 native birds may have been killed in a 1080 poison aerial drop near Nelson Lakes National Park. The dead birds have been found in the Marlborough back country after an aerial drop of 1080 poison. Mostly native, they were found in the upper Wairau Valley bordering Nelson Lakes National Park by Waikato brothers Clyde and Steve Graf, who are filming for a DVD production on the controversial toxin. The pair were in the Wairau Valley filming 1080 drops and their effects. In a search taking 10 hours and covering about 9ha, they found seven native birds comprising a grey warbler and six silver eyes, two non-native blackbirds, one rat and no possums. The remains of two tomtits were also found, indicating an even higher native bird kill. "Their bodies had been consumed by a predator such as a weka, morepork, falcon, hawk or, less likely, a stoat," Steve Graf said. "We think, less likely a stoat, simply because stoat traps are heavily present on the road sides in the area." Stoats are not affected directly by 1080. The aerial drop was undertaken by the Animal Health Board and Marlborough District Council to kill possums in the upper Wairau-Raglan Range-Red Hills-Manuka Island area.




 These f**kers just won't listen to public opinion.
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« Reply #1 on: Thu 18 September, 2008 - 09:14 am »

 
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« Reply #2 on: Thu 18 September, 2008 - 11:04 am »

but short of shooting out the tyres of the plane so it can't get airborne what can we do, because as Red says, the f**kers just won't listen.

    wouldn't that piss them off
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« Reply #3 on: Thu 18 September, 2008 - 12:12 pm »

I know a guy in Taupo that, a few years ago hijacked a Helicopter with DOC guys in it as a 1080 protest.... All it achieved for him was a jail sentence, but it did raise public awareness for a short time.
They still say that it's the most cost effective method of controlling possums, but at what cost to our wildlife?????
The courts hand out prison terms and fines to individuals for animal cruelty, but what about our own Government body in charge of conservation??


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« Reply #4 on: Thu 18 September, 2008 - 12:29 pm »

 

In some areas they have done really well, especially in bringing the numbers back up in some endangered species (although clearing out other special animals has been a bit heavy-handed), but in this they are totally blind... 
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« Reply #5 on: Thu 18 September, 2008 - 01:22 pm »

isn't it against the law to kill native birds?  eek
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« Reply #7 on: Fri 19 September, 2008 - 07:47 pm »

isn't it against the law to kill native birds?  eek
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« Reply #8 on: Sat 20 September, 2008 - 10:53 am »

The government's view......

1080 (ten-eighty) or sodium monofluoroacetate, is one of ten pesticides used in this country to kill introduced mammal pests such as possums and rodents. Although 1080 is a manufactured compound, the active ingredient in 1080, fluoractetate, is a natural plant toxin found in a more than 50 plants (including the tea plant) in South Africa, South America and Australia.The toxin evolved as a deterrent to browsing animals.


Mix of carrot bait, some coated with
1080 poison, used for possum control

Why does DOC use 1080?
The Department of Conservation (DOC) uses 1080 to counter the devastating effects high numbers of introduced pests are having on our native animals.

In South Island beech forests, trees can produce vast quantities of seed, resulting in an abundance of food for rats to breed rapidly.  An increase in rats means an increase in stoat numbers. 1080 is particularly suited for use in New Zealand as it has no native ground-dwelling mammals that are affected by its use and the benefits of using it greatly outweigh the risks.  1080 is the only poison registered for aerial application on the mainland. 1080 is environmentally friendly, cost effective and efficient at controlling target pests. These factors make 1080 a relatively safe and effective tool for control of pests over large areas. 









World health organisation's view.....






Rated by the USA Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), as a chemical �BAD ACTOR� and a MALE REPRODUCTIVE TOXIN, 1080 is also rated as a Class 1a EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL, by the World Health Organisation. (W.H.O.) (United Nations) and even in small doses can produce reproductive defects in humans. 1080 MAY BE AN ENDOCRINE DISTRUPTOR.

Recent research by scientist�s worldwide has raised very serious doubts about whether the continued use of 1080 is safe for total environmental and human health. The old justifications by the NZ Gov�t to use 1080 are no longer valid.

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« Reply #9 on: Sat 20 September, 2008 - 02:35 pm »

Yep, much better to let the f**king possums destroy the native forests, and the rats to decimate the native birdlife.

I say drop some more of the s**t.
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« Reply #10 on: Sat 20 September, 2008 - 03:47 pm »

put a 'bounty' on the possum and that would change things...

round here DOC created a rodent proof area by trapping and baiting for possums (bait stations) and rats and now its rodent free and kiwi roam free now.
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« Reply #11 on: Mon 22 September, 2008 - 07:02 am »

Yep, much better to let the f**king possums destroy the native forests, and the rats to decimate the native birdlife.

I say drop some more of the s**t.


s**t's right.  The s**t's banned in most countries. But it's ok cos DOC says it's harmless.   

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« Reply #12 on: Mon 22 September, 2008 - 06:40 pm »

i heard somewhere that the guy who sells the stuff(or imports it) has sommit to do with the govt in some way or another...sommit dodgy going on i'd say.
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« Reply #13 on: Mon 22 September, 2008 - 06:55 pm »

i heard somewhere that the guy who sells the stuff(or imports it) has sommit to do with the govt in some way or another...sommit dodgy going on i'd say.

dodgy and government - never! 
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« Reply #14 on: Mon 22 September, 2008 - 07:20 pm »

i know... unbelievable really
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« Reply #15 on: Mon 22 September, 2008 - 08:54 pm »

you heard that from me             

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« Reply #16 on: Mon 22 September, 2008 - 09:05 pm »

 

i did say 'i heard somewhere'


rightio then...everyone give big props to collie 
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« Reply #17 on: Fri 14 November, 2008 - 02:54 pm »





http://www.ermanz.govt.nz/news-events/focus/1080/hearings/addinfo59.pdf

This is an interesting read if anyones got the time. A lot of these guys were friends and neighbours when I was living and working in the Taupo area.
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« Reply #18 on: Sat 15 November, 2008 - 09:55 am »

i heard somewhere that the guy who sells the stuff(or imports it) has sommit to do with the govt in some way or another...sommit dodgy going on i'd say.

You surprise me, dab, with your occasional lapses.

Rather than passing on rumour and half-truth, a quick scan of the internet would find the truth.

Sold since 1956 as Compound 1080, sodium monofluoroacetate is produced by Tull Chemical Co of Oxford, Alabama. Charles Wigley, the owner and sole operator of the plant, reportedly makes each batch specifically to order, ships it immediately, and does not store any on site. His biggest customer is the New Zealand Department of Conservation and Agriculture. New Zealand reportedly uses 90% of global production of Compound 1080 to kill bush possums and other non-native mammals.


So.......our government buys 90%  of the world's supply of 1080. It's use is forbidden in the country where it is made.

Rather than waste time trtying to persuade the knuckleheads at DOC that 1080 is inaproppriate, perhaps those who care should tackle the new US government on the subject, and ask them why they allow U.S. factories to make products that the U.S. government deems unsafe to use.
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« Reply #19 on: Sat 6 December, 2008 - 12:25 pm »

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« Reply #20 on: Sat 6 December, 2008 - 03:07 pm »

Hmmm.......Deperately trying to find a valid reason as to why this would even concern me.........................nope! not happening.
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« Reply #21 on: Sat 6 December, 2008 - 03:39 pm »

  are you an australian??   
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« Reply #22 on: Sat 6 December, 2008 - 08:30 pm »

  are you an australian??   

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« Reply #23 on: Mon 8 December, 2008 - 07:20 am »

Hmmm.......Deperately trying to find a valid reason as to why this would even concern me.........................nope! not happening.

 
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« Reply #24 on: Tue 9 December, 2008 - 07:55 pm »

Hmmm.......Deperately trying to find a valid reason as to why this would even concern me.........................nope! not happening.

 

Why the eye rolling? Stuff works a treat at my work for eradicating any rodents and other assorted vermin.
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« Reply #25 on: Tue 9 December, 2008 - 10:15 pm »

Hmmm.......Deperately trying to find a valid reason as to why this would even concern me.........................nope! not happening.

 

Why the eye rolling? Stuff works a treat at my work for eradicating any rodents and other assorted vermin.

got any pets?

Itll concern you if one of them accidently eats some, or a rodent who has been killed by it.
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« Reply #26 on: Wed 10 December, 2008 - 07:27 am »

Hmmm.......Deperately trying to find a valid reason as to why this would even concern me.........................nope! not happening.

 

Why the eye rolling? Stuff works a treat at my work for eradicating any rodents and other assorted vermin.

You work for EPRO?
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« Reply #27 on: Wed 10 December, 2008 - 10:33 pm »



i did say 'i heard somewhere'


rightio then...everyone give big props to collie 

No Big Props ......................How about a lollie-pop
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« Reply #28 on: Wed 10 December, 2008 - 11:00 pm »

Hmmm.......Deperately trying to find a valid reason as to why this would even concern me.........................nope! not happening.

 

Why the eye rolling? Stuff works a treat at my work for eradicating any rodents and other assorted vermin.

got any pets?

Itll concern you if one of them accidently eats some, or a rodent who has been killed by it.

I very much doubt they'll be using in the guts of the city.
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« Reply #29 on: Thu 11 December, 2008 - 12:19 pm »

That's a pretty narrow minded comment.
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« Reply #30 on: Thu 11 December, 2008 - 07:36 pm »

That's a pretty narrow minded comment.

Narrow minded? No!
Realistic? Yes
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« Reply #31 on: Thu 11 December, 2008 - 08:03 pm »

So because it doesn't affect you directly, then it doesn't matter?
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« Reply #32 on: Thu 11 December, 2008 - 08:29 pm »

Everyones entitled to an opinion and that's mine....If no one agrees so be it. No skin off my nose
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« Reply #33 on: Thu 11 December, 2008 - 09:56 pm »

Hmmm.......Deperately trying to find a valid reason as to why this would even concern me.........................nope! not happening.

 

Why the eye rolling? Stuff works a treat at my work for eradicating any rodents and other assorted vermin.

got any pets?

Itll concern you if one of them accidently eats some, or a rodent who has been killed by it.

I very much doubt they'll be using in the guts of the city.

Youd be very surprised where they use it.

On eof my favourite places for walking my dogs often had 1080 laid out......with warning signs...but it was in the city
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« Reply #34 on: Fri 12 December, 2008 - 02:40 pm »

I never listen to 1080. I like FM
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« Reply #35 on: Mon 9 February, 2009 - 10:16 am »

Bump.  eek
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« Reply #36 on: Mon 9 February, 2009 - 06:58 pm »

Yup, the sound a possum makes after eating 1080.
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« Reply #37 on: Fri 15 May, 2009 - 11:44 am »

Yup, the sound a possum makes after eating 1080.

And every other living critter as well.  eek


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« Reply #38 on: Thu 27 August, 2009 - 11:23 am »

         



The buggers are doing another aerial drop over the Coromandel. 
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« Reply #39 on: Thu 27 August, 2009 - 11:48 am »

and mount egmont       they haven't even bothered to do a guessimate possum head count, going to put up lots of signs along the rivers though to warn dog owners...  don't get me started, I'll swear like a trouper.






http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/farming/2577580/Forewarning-of-1080-drop-date
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« Reply #40 on: Thu 27 August, 2009 - 11:50 am »

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« Reply #41 on: Thu 27 August, 2009 - 12:09 pm »

top news in the world yesterday was some terminally ill dude climbing a mountain over this, I think eek
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« Reply #42 on: Thu 27 August, 2009 - 12:14 pm »

top news in the world yesterday was some terminally ill dude climbing a mountain over this, I think eek
That's Chris Short, I know him quite well from Taupo. A few years ago he got locked up for hijacking a Helicopter over 1080, Good on him, but it will fall on deaf ears. They will just think he's a crackpot.
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« Reply #43 on: Thu 27 August, 2009 - 03:36 pm »

anyone who doesn't conform to mainstream thinking is a crackpot so it would seem 


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« Reply #44 on: Fri 28 August, 2009 - 12:38 am »

anyone who doesn't conform to mainstream thinking is a crackpot so it would seem 




i feel his pain 

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« Reply #45 on: Fri 28 August, 2009 - 05:49 am »

 :stunned:Seems crazy. I have a buddy who is earning good money harvesting possums for their fur. You'd think that during a recession it would be easy enought to find hunters, but nooooo...........
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« Reply #46 on: Fri 28 August, 2009 - 08:06 am »

but short of shooting out the tyres of the plane so it can't get airborne what can we do, because as Red says, the f**kers just won't listen.

    wouldn't that piss them off
Better to use a sniper rifle and shoot the tyres out while airborne, so it can't land
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« Reply #47 on: Fri 28 August, 2009 - 09:49 am »

i can't believe that any civilised country would agree to air drop poison anywhere, as red says, you have no control over what creatures you kill, and there will eventually be a serious knock on effect of killing birds. I know that possums are a big nuisance to you over there, we have the same with the grey squirrels which have driven out the native red squirrel, but we have more humane ways of reducing their numbers, like leaving them feed which has a chemical added that renders them infertile so they die out naturally but doesn't affect other mammals. It's is just a pity that the were introduced in the first place
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« Reply #48 on: Fri 28 August, 2009 - 10:00 am »

i can't believe that any civilised country would agree to air drop poison anywhere, as red says, you have no control over what creatures you kill, and there will eventually be a serious knock on effect of killing birds. I know that possums are a big nuisance to you over there, we have the same with the grey squirrels which have driven out the native red squirrel, but we have more humane ways of reducing their numbers, like leaving them feed which has a chemical added that renders them infertile so they die out naturally but doesn't affect other mammals. It's is just a pity that the were introduced in the first place
That's half the problem Willow, a lot of the species that were introduced in the late 1800's and early 1900's were introduced as Game animals for hunting, and then populations like Rabbits exploded as there were no natural predators up until that time, so the Government introduced Mustelids (Stoats, Weasels and Ferrets) to help control these. The problem was, they also liked our Native Birds......... And so on it goes. Even the Domestic Cat has had an impact on the native bird populations.

And 1080........................
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« Reply #49 on: Fri 28 August, 2009 - 10:06 am »

it does hit and kill a lot of the birds they are trying to protect, the bush goes quiet for about 3 years before the bird population recovers / new ones fly in to bring it alive with bird song again - its bloody criminal and utter bulls**t.
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