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« on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 01:46 am »

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« Reply #1 on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 01:58 am »

 

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« Reply #2 on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 08:42 am »

It takes the onus off the parents. Transplants are possible without blood transfusions, just not here.
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« Reply #3 on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 01:32 pm »

Bottom line is...the childs life in the here and now, not the hereafter.






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« Reply #4 on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 01:58 pm »

I think its very difficult when you are faced with a decision with brings you into such conflict with what you believe so completely - a tremendous test of faith i would think. I'm sure this isn't easy for the parents - they are probably quite pressured by their church?

if they decide to go ahead (without being forced by the court) and allow the blood transfusion, what does that say to them about how important their faith is? and how much of it do they now believe in? can they continue to have blind faith in their teachings? should they? can they justify exceptions? will their church support them regardless? just why does their faith have such a particular view on the blood thing, and is there some genuine concern based in scientific reality? (and yeah bob, i am going to ignore any sarcasm from you on that point)

 
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« Reply #5 on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 03:29 pm »

Aside from the religious factor, how much intervention is okay? The child is on deaths door, perhaps a quiet peaceful death is what they want for their child, as opposed to what could be many years of treatment and intervention. I suppose what the doctors want is to give her a fighting chance - but aside from the religious factors in this case, how much right should a parent have to decide?
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« Reply #6 on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 04:44 pm »

yes. these sorts of cases are highly emotive.


i still remember the case in the US where the hospital got an injunction against the parents of a brain-dead child being able to pull the plug, and yet they were also expected to continue paying for the hospital bills of this continued care 
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« Reply #7 on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 05:08 pm »

I think parents should be able to decide what is more important their religious beliefs or their childs life.

I don't see this as being a lot different from the rulings of the catholic church regarding  contraception.


The teachings of the church came before a threat to a womans life if she had difficulty pregnancies.
The church would rather see the couple take the risk of a maternal death than use contraception.
However most catholics are wise enough to ignore the churches teachings and make their own decisions.
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« Reply #8 on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 07:57 pm »

Joho's and mormons prey on people when they are at a low point in their life and are vulnerable and easily led..  . I despise their recruitment methods.


Apologies if I have offended any johos in here. 
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« Reply #9 on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 07:58 pm »

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« Reply #10 on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 08:41 pm »

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« Reply #11 on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 08:46 pm »

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« Reply #13 on: Mon 16 July, 2012 - 09:02 pm »

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« Reply #16 on: Tue 17 July, 2012 - 11:12 am »

I think its very difficult when you are faced with a decision with brings you into such conflict with what you believe so completely - a tremendous test of faith i would think. I'm sure this isn't easy for the parents - they are probably quite pressured by their church?

if they decide to go ahead (without being forced by the court) and allow the blood transfusion, what does that say to them about how important their faith is? and how much of it do they now believe in? can they continue to have blind faith in their teachings? should they? can they justify exceptions? will their church support them regardless? just why does their faith have such a particular view on the blood thing, and is there some genuine concern based in scientific reality? (and yeah bob, i am going to ignore any sarcasm from you on that point)

 


...yeah, it's all about them eh
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« Reply #17 on: Tue 17 July, 2012 - 11:19 am »

Bottom line is...the childs life in the here and now, not the hereafter.






...and perhaps   it wasn't such a good idea to put the link in the subject line?


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The Sunday Star-Times understands the girl has had blood transfusions before, given to her by the hospital under emergency provisions in the Care of Children Act.


the girl is already tainted  so whats with a bit more?

...ah - McCall said he had known cases where Jehovah's Witnesses who accepted blood transfusions had been disowned by their parents and church.

do they not want the kid any more?
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« Reply #18 on: Tue 17 July, 2012 - 11:57 am »

that is so harsh, eh? surely its more important for the flock to stick together, than be ousted for a life-saving procedure? 
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