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« on: Sun 28 October, 2012 - 11:02 pm »

...if your mum/gran who is in her early 90's for example, was very unwell, with lots of co-morbidities (none of which were reversible) incl advanced dementia, heart and kidney failure, double incontinence and behaviours (related to the dementia) that she would be highly embarrased about if she was aware of what she was doing and she was eating like a sparrow and only weighed 31kg and couldn't stand, let alone walk and needed full assistance with all those normal everyday things that we do ourselves like eating and drinking and going to the loo and wiping our own bums and...

You get the (hypothetical) picture.

The Doc asks you (cause you're your mums/grans Enduring Power of Attorney for Personal Care and Welfare and it has been enacted) if your mum/gran has ever talked about what she would want done in the event of a cardiac arrest - would she want an attempt made at resuscitation? There's no Advanced Directive in place, no Advanced Care Plan...nothing in writing that documents her wishes.

The chance of mum/gran surviving the cardiac arrest are slim to nothing. If she did survive, her quality of life (and I know that's subjective) would be basically zilch.

The Doc could initiate a Not For Resuscitation order on the grounds of medical futility, but he's asking you as the EPOA and family member what mums/grans/your wishes would be. All the complications, risks, likely outcome etc has been explained.

What would your wish for your mum/gran be?



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« Reply #1 on: Sun 28 October, 2012 - 11:20 pm »

i don't know about mom/gran but i'd want a big fat syringe of morphine delivered with all haste!

31kg, 90's  ... ostio' no doubt?   if they do CPR every bone in her body would shatter!!!  more pain, more trauma.
is it really helping? even if they resuscitate successfully why should they? to simply prolong the
inevitable outcome with no quality or dignity?

sorry if i sound brutal, but when it comes to a situation like this i think of how i would want to be treated.
and truth is i would hope to have gone out long before i got to a state like that.

i hope your hypothetical situation is resolved as happily as it can be

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« Reply #2 on: Mon 29 October, 2012 - 07:22 pm »

Made comfortable and let rest.

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« Reply #3 on: Mon 29 October, 2012 - 07:50 pm »

agree with both the above.
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« Reply #4 on: Mon 29 October, 2012 - 08:01 pm »

agree with all that ^^^^^
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« Reply #5 on: Mon 29 October, 2012 - 08:04 pm »

yup, me too


if that was me, i'd be glad for the release.
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« Reply #6 on: Mon 29 October, 2012 - 08:36 pm »

i don't know about mom/gran but i'd want a big fat syringe of morphine delivered with all haste!31kg, 90's  ... ostio' no doubt?   if they do CPR every bone in her body would shatter!!!  more pain, more trauma.
is it really helping? even if they resuscitate successfully why should they? to simply prolong the
inevitable outcome with no quality or dignity?

sorry if i sound brutal, but when it comes to a situation like this i think of how i would want to be treated.
and truth is i would hope to have gone out long before i got to a state like that.

i hope your hypothetical situation is resolved as happily as it can be



 

What is this 'thing' that people have about morphine??


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« Reply #7 on: Mon 29 October, 2012 - 08:41 pm »

doesn't it finish you off quick and quiet?
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« Reply #8 on: Mon 29 October, 2012 - 08:55 pm »

And hopefully super smashed  eek
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« Reply #9 on: Mon 29 October, 2012 - 10:07 pm »

Dad was killed with morphine. He was alive, held on for ages and ages, died minutes after the second shot of morphine.
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« Reply #10 on: Tue 30 October, 2012 - 02:12 pm »

Your Dad dying within minutes of a morphine shot suggets he was going to go at that time, regardless of the morphine, Dan. 
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« Reply #11 on: Sun 4 November, 2012 - 12:39 am »

yup, sure, that would be so ... yup

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