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« Reply #51 on: Tue 6 October, 2015 - 05:13 am »

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Removing all tariffs from New Zealand dairy and beef products in the Trans-Pacific Partnership has been put in the government's "too hard" basket.

Canada and Japan have both refused to remove all trade barriers, under the deal.

Demands over market access for New Zealand dairy proved to be the final sticking point in the negotiations before an agreement was reached late on Monday night.

But at a press conference alongside 11 other member countries, Trade Minister Tim Groser revealed he'd been unable to achieve an ideal result for New Zealand's key exports.

"What I'll be saying to New Zealanders when we get back is, this establishes, in the long run, complete elimination of all tariffs on everything New Zealand exports with two exceptions: one is the beef tariff in Japan, and the other [is] some dairy products - some of which will achieve tariff-elimination, and others have proven to be too difficult."

Groser says there was a "high level of achievement", despite failing to topple all trade barriers for New Zealand's primary exports.



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« Reply #52 on: Tue 6 October, 2015 - 07:56 am »

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« Reply #53 on: Tue 6 October, 2015 - 09:58 am »

S'posed to take a week to find out the details 
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« Reply #54 on: Tue 6 October, 2015 - 10:11 am »

We know the main details though, good triumphed over evil and the terrorists didn't win
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« Reply #55 on: Tue 6 October, 2015 - 11:37 am »

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The TPPA deal has been done overnight and it looks like a good start.

Sure we haven’t got everything we wanted but let’s get some perspective.

    * It is more than we had before.
    * Tariffs are massively reduced or eliminated altogether
    * Access to previously closed markets is now open and largely free of interference
    * There is a commitment to move on remaining tariffs
    * Raw dairy didn’t do so well but processed dairy has huge benefits.
    * Even so dairy has greater access than before.
    * Pharmac is untouched

We are a small nation, of around 4.5 million, smaller than cities in the countries we have just concluded a trade deal with. We have just gained increased access and lower cost of access to those new markets.

I am struggling to see how more trade is bad.

We have done well out of free trade, it has improved NZ’s GDP, and NZers are undoubtably better off than in the early eighties. 

   
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Prime Minister John Key welcomed news of the deal, saying it would give Kiwi exporters much better access to a market of more than 800 million people with expected financial benefits of at least NZ$2.7 billion a year by 2030.

    “As a country, we won’t get rich selling things to ourselves. Instead, we need to sell more of our products and services to customers around the world, and TPP helps makes that happen.”

    Key acknowledged disappointment with the lack of gains on dairy tariffs, but said the agreement was “overall a very good deal for New Zealand”.

    “We’ve seen with China how a free trade agreement can boost exports of goods and services and deepen trade and investment links.”

    Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce described the deal as a “big win for regional New Zealand”, with areas such as the Bay of Plenty, Hawke’s Bay, Manawatu and Wanganui set to benefit from the removal of tariffs.
    “It’s not everything we wanted in dairy by any manner of means, but you can’t ignore these other industries.

    “The meat industry, the fruit industry, the wine industry, the forestry industry, the manufacturing industry – all of these get the benefits,” Joyce told TV3’s Paul Henry.

    Joyce said the Government did not expect individual countries would not encounter too many problems approving the deal, due to the financial benefits they would receive.

Dairy is of course moaning, but they should look past their demands and look at the gains they have received. Plus this sets up a framework to chip away at those dairy tariffs that remain.

The opposition has gone full retard, expect the process of ratifying to be their die in a ditch moment. But the reality is this…what would they have us do, a small nation smaller than most cities in our trading partners’ countries? Walk away and not have access? How would that be good for New Zealand?

As usual the Labour Party is just bitter that it wasn’t them who signed the deal, and it was John Key’s government. They just sound like kindergarten kids arguing over who has rights to the sandpit.

I fail to see how increased trade is a bad thing.

I think the benefit is in open doors, not the immediate benefit today.

UPDATE: The Government has released some details on the deal. These are savings on tariffs, once fully implemented by sector are:

    Dairy $102 million
    Meat $72 million
    Fruit and vegetables $26 million
    Other agriculture $18 million
    Wine $10 million
    Manufacturing $10 million
    Forestry $9 million
    Fish $8 million
    Wool $4 million

That’s not nothing…it is a boost to all those sectors and lower tariffs means easier access moving forward.

Read more: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/10/tppa-deal-done-cue-left-wing-tears-of-impotent-rage/#ixzz3njfqsoyy
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« Reply #56 on: Wed 7 October, 2015 - 08:42 pm »

give it 12 months and see what we are losing out on then

for a start, if it wasn't for the aussies we would be well and truely screwed over the drug pricing
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« Reply #57 on: Sat 10 October, 2015 - 11:55 am »

Reminds me of a used car salesman ..... "Don't look at the rust in the chassis ....just look how the hubcaps shine"

or put differently what are the actual "costs" to us as a Nation (not business) and is the decision reversible.

If other nations are getting similar benefits how are we going to compete
 
when we have several thousand miles more to transport our produce than any other Nation 
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« Reply #58 on: Tue 13 October, 2015 - 09:08 pm »

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« Reply #59 on: Tue 24 November, 2015 - 10:03 pm »

It's all out in the open now..... yeah right!


http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/tight-controls-placed-on-tpp-spin/
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« Reply #60 on: Tue 24 November, 2015 - 10:16 pm »

They had to do something to stop you lefties self harming yourselves 
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« Reply #61 on: Tue 24 November, 2015 - 10:32 pm »

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« Reply #62 on: Tue 24 November, 2015 - 10:39 pm »

Your flag is too big 
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