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« on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 09:57 am »

Should schools enforce peanut free because some children have
allergic reaction to peanut, whether it be peanut butter sandwhiches or peanut chew bars or what ever containing peanut? What is your thoughts on this?
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« Reply #1 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 10:00 am »

yeah thats a hard one

i know if my child had a peanut allergy i would worry that contact would cause major problems.

i think there is no harm in restricting peanuts in schools if there are kids with serious allergies

but then also where do you stop with allergies?
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« Reply #2 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 10:02 am »

I don't think it should be banned at all
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« Reply #3 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 10:04 am »

yeah thats a hard one

i know if my child had a peanut allergy i would worry that contact would cause major problems.

i think there is no harm in restricting peanuts in schools if there are kids with serious allergies

but then also where do you stop with allergies?
  That's my thinking too. Just where dose one draw the line?
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« Reply #4 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 10:06 am »

yeah

but some would argue if it is that bad then the kid should be made to eat somewhere else

but why should that kid miss out on the socialisation at morning tea and lunch time

thats a lot harder, and has a lot more affect than kids not being able to have peanut butter sammies!
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« Reply #5 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 10:12 am »

yeah

but some would argue if it is that bad then the kid should be made to eat somewhere else

but why should that kid miss out on the socialisation at morning tea and lunch time

thats a lot harder, and has a lot more affect than kids not being able to have peanut butter sammies!
  My friend withdrew her daughter from school be daughter sat next to a mate who who had  peanutbutter sammies. The daughter mate offered to shre her lunch . They are 6 year olds.
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« Reply #6 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 10:14 am »

yeah, thats the hard thing

the child needs to be able to know how dangerous it is to share food

but then they are still young kids, and sometimes the draw of the food and the friendship is stronger than their understanding of the risks
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« Reply #7 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 10:15 am »

I don't think peanut butter or peanut containing products should be banned from school. People are allergic to all manner of foods so things could get a little crazy if schools start banning allergy causing products. Having said that though, I would be VERY worried if my own child had a peanut allergy. My daughter does have food allergies but funnily enough - peanuts  isn't one of them . Hmmm maybe I'll just sit on the fence on this one.  
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« Reply #8 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 10:17 am »

yeah, thats the hard thing

the child needs to be able to know how dangerous it is to share food

but then they are still young kids, and sometimes the draw of the food and the friendship is stronger than their understanding of the risks
Yes for sure . And in this case I feel that is where the problem lies. Its very hard for the young ones .
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« Reply #9 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 10:32 am »

what are other foods that can cause such huge reactions like nuts do?
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« Reply #10 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 10:39 am »

Dairy ? sea food, ummmm some food additvies or colourings.
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« Reply #11 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 10:41 am »

oh yeah seafood (but eew wouldnt it go dodgy in a lunchbox anyway?)

i am lactose intolerant, never knew the allergy form of it could cause serious issues like peanuts though

eggs?
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« Reply #12 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 04:16 pm »

sorry folks, but if a child has an anaphylactic reaction to peanuts, then frig - no! no peanut butter sandwiches at school please!!!  Once that child is old enuf to absolutely realise they are unable to touch it, it is better to not have the temptation their at school.

The Epipen that travels around with the child in case of a reaction will NOT save their life, it will only give them another 20 mins or so for the ambulance to arrive and get to hospital.

PS I do not have a child with an anapyhylactic reaction to anything.

But place yourself in the parents shoes of a child who does...
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« Reply #13 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 07:35 pm »

God, I feel like crying. My daughter has a potentially fatal peanut allergy. It scares the s**t out of me to think another parent could be so indifferent. All for the sake of other parents laziness. Jesus f**king Christ. Your kids arn't going to f**ken die without their f**ken peanuts for lunch. Mine might because you don't give a s**t!!!!! HAVE A f**kEN HEART!!!!!
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« Reply #14 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 07:40 pm »

God, I feel like crying. My daughter has a potentially fatal peanut allergy. It scares the s**t out of me to think another parent could be so indifferent. All for the sake of other parents laziness. Jesus f**king Christ. Your kids arn't going to f**ken die without their f**ken peanuts for lunch. Mine might because you don't give a s**t!!!!! HAVE A f**kEN HEART!!!!!
   Some schools do enforce the "No Peanut " policy that is why I asked for others views.  It called being informed.
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« Reply #15 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 07:48 pm »

Quotes from this thread: "where do you stop with allergies?"  "don't think it should be banned at all" "I don't think peanut butter or peanut containing products should be banned from school". "People are allergic to all manner of foods so things could get a little crazy if schools start banning allergy causing products"  "Hmmm maybe I'll just sit on the fence on this one".
 
It's such a small thing to ask of people. 
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« Reply #16 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 08:03 pm »

chux you may notice i agreed with the ban, but asked where did it stop, because i am not aware of many other allergies that cause such serious complications

further elaborated in my post asking for other foods that have those reactions
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« Reply #17 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 08:26 pm »

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« Reply #18 on: Tue 12 February, 2008 - 09:36 pm »

I cant be f**ked reading whole thread but i dont think its fai.

m kid went to kindy with a girl who had a whole range of allergies .

peanuts and cheese were just 2 things they couldnt have in their lunch and it used to annoy me - perhaps a seperate eatign area
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« Reply #19 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 01:10 am »

No I don't think peanuts should be banned. But then again, when you fill out the enrollment form you have to specify if your child has any allergies. Usually the children with similar allergies are placed in the same class to lower the chance of anything going wrong - something legally required by the Ministry of Education.
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« Reply #20 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 07:47 am »

unbef**kenlievable. Oh well, I'm off to drive 100kph through a school zone. I don't see why I should slow down just because your kids might not get out of the way.
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« Reply #21 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 07:54 am »

Chux....

you have above you (being all the responses)^^^^^^ the VERY REASON why peanut substances are banned when a child has an anaphylactic reaction.

Peeps dont understand.

 


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« Reply #22 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 08:09 am »

unbef**kenlievable. Oh well, I'm off to drive 100kph through a school zone. I don't see why I should slow down just because your kids might not get out of the way.
 Caio.

Don't be so ridiculous. That's illegal, is eating peanuts in a classroom illegal?
If your daughter has such a volatile peanut allergy, why don't you home school her?
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« Reply #23 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 08:16 am »

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« Reply #24 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 08:49 am »

another scenario..

rather than ban  for eg peanuts and peanut substances, why not let the parents of these children allow the products into school.  And then if an anaphylactic child is given some of this to eat by one of the kids......

why not charge the parent for the ensuing death that may occur.  like manslaughter.

I dont think it is ridiculous suggestion...  It is the same as feeding someone a poison.
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« Reply #25 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 08:53 am »

The school has a legal responsibility to ensure the safety of every child in their care. If a child is known to have a serious allergy, then the school has to take steps to minimise the risk to that child. To my mind, there are three ways of achieving this.

One is to make sure that the child who has the allergy is fully aware of the scope of the problem, and the consequences of it, and self-manages the problem. This is called RESPONSIBILITY.

Two is to ensure that the whole school is fully aware of the issues and risks, and co-operates in managing the problem. This is called EDUCATION.

Three is to deny everyone at the school the item, that way they can blame someone else if the kid gets sick.
This is called DERELICTION OF DUTY.

Sorry chux, but your child has the problem.While I sympathise and would happily support any education measures neccesary to minimise the risk to a child in such a situation, I don't see that the child who is at risk will learn anything by being cut off from all danger. Children are at  risk at school every day. If they poke a metal object into a power socket, they could kill themselves. Do we ban electricity in schools? of course not! we teach them responsibility! Children are at risk from getting run over outside the school gates every day. Do we ban all cars? no, we provide supervised crossings and we teach all of the children who are at risk how to manage and minimise that risk.

Children cannot be wrapped in cotton wool in the public schooling system. They need to learn about danger, and about risk management. You cannot close down every public swimming pool to protect the non-swimmers, and you cannot remove every car from the streets to protect the blind. We teach those who have specific disadvantages how to keep them safe, we don't try and modify the behaviour of the masses to account for a tiny minority.
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« Reply #26 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 08:57 am »

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« Reply #27 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 09:35 am »

I think it is great the schools, along with our public health system place steps into place to help ensure the safety of a severely allergic child.

And yes you cannot wrap any child in cotton wool to lessen the risks of harm.  Crikey the world out there today is way to 'PC' nowadays than what it used to be.  Children are not allowed to take the risks that perhaps we did when children.

But how do you keep your 5 year old safe from a possible anaphylactic reaction when they are not old enuf to understand the risk?  It does not help to have 'other' parents not take 'on board' the ramifications of a reaction to say peanuts. 

you do realise that anaphylactic means their passageways swell up and they are unable to breathe, this happens extremely fast and can result in an extremely bad outcome for the affected child.

what would you peeps do if it was your child?  seriously...
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« Reply #28 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 09:43 am »

Sorry, but at age 5, I didn't let my children cross the street unsupervised, or a whole host of other potentially dangerous activities. If eating lunch is a potentially dangerous exercise for your child, then it is your resonsibility to supervise that child, or find someone else who is willing and able to. Simply banning a hundred or maybe a thousand other kids from handling what is a totally innocuous substance will never teach your child to look after themself. Removing the hazard does NOT teach a child how to deal with it.
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« Reply #29 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 10:31 am »

Sorry, but at age 5, I didn't let my children cross the street unsupervised, or a whole host of other potentially dangerous activities. If eating lunch is a potentially dangerous exercise for your child, then it is your resonsibility to supervise that child, or find someone else who is willing and able to. Simply banning a hundred or maybe a thousand other kids from handling what is a totally innocuous substance will never teach your child to look after themself. Removing the hazard does NOT teach a child how to deal with it.

alright so, agreed, removing a hazard doesnt teach a child anything.  so what you are saying is that the parent of the allergic child is basically alone in dealing with this....

I have a friend whos child is like this.. here an example, she asked at the fish and chop shop if any of the flour they use in the batter has peanut traces.  The fish and chip shop said no it doesnt.  She didnt believe them and asked if she could look at the bag of flour they used, they werent going to let her coz of hygiene reasons, but they did.  well the flour did contain traces of peanut.
Imagine having to check everything and double check and doubt others answers....  If it was me I would never be able to rest.

any help other people can provide a parent of an allergic child would be of some help to the madness of assisting your allergic child to stay well.
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« Reply #30 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 03:04 pm »



.....  so what you are saying is that the parent of the allergic child is basically alone in dealing with this....



Not at all. As with every other hazard, it is up to everyone who deals with learning children to instruct and reinforce the skills needed to identify and mange risk.It is not up to the rest of the world to shut down every hazard until the child has adult skills.
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« Reply #31 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 03:08 pm »

  but but but!!!
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« Reply #32 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 04:57 pm »

mmy son was allergic to nuts right from the word go. by tge time he was 4 he could tell the smell and knew not to swap food or bars with anyone. right from the word go my kids have known lunch swapping is a no. by 5 i would consider the child old enough to know, i would gave it well and truely drummed into them, i mean after all youve known for 5 years your child was going to go to school and would have put things in place in your own environment to keep them safe, so why shouldnt they be able to carry that over to their school envioronment.

im sorrybut im in the they shouldnt be banned catagory up to me tio educate my child to know they dont eat food except whats prepared by me..

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« Reply #33 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 05:08 pm »

  but but but!!!

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« Reply #34 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 05:09 pm »

mmy son was allergic to nuts right from the word go. by tge time he was 4 he could tell the smell and knew not to swap food or bars with anyone. right from the word go my kids have known lunch swapping is a no. by 5 i would consider the child old enough to know, i would gave it well and truely drummed into them, i mean after all youve known for 5 years your child was going to go to school and would have put things in place in your own environment to keep them safe, so why shouldnt they be able to carry that over to their school envioronment.

im sorrybut im in the they shouldnt be banned catagory up to me tio educate my child to know they dont eat food except whats prepared by me..

and it worked fine.
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so how badly allergic spanky????
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« Reply #35 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 05:58 pm »

not anaplaxis. but thats irrelevant. He had to in part be responsible for his safety, and the only way to do that is for guidence in  situations in real life by showing him and telling him how to be safe. I didnt stop buying it for my son who wasnt allergic, but by having it in the house and seeing the consistancey and smell of it in the home environs enabled him to identify what it was and so be able to avoid it. It worked for us.
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« Reply #36 on: Wed 13 February, 2008 - 10:03 pm »

why is  - your son not being anaphylactic be irrelevant??

So if your son was... and like touched your brothers hand and he had peanut butter he had wiped off but the residue was there, it wouldn't be an issue that your allergic son could die from it in 20 mins or so??????
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« Reply #37 on: Thu 14 February, 2008 - 04:31 pm »

  but but but!!!

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